Early October southern Germany catches
Re: Early October southern Germany catches
The rear thorax spine seems to be very tiny but not sure if that's any help.
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Re: Early October southern Germany catches
Thanks for the pictures! I'm sticking with Tetramorium.
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Re: Early October southern Germany catches
Hm, someone in another forum threw Solenopsis fugax into the ring. I must admit the similarities are extremely remarkable.
If this turns out true does that mean I have an exploding Solenopsis colony at my hand or do they not multiply with the same ridiculous rate of other Solenopsis (like RIFA and RTFA)?
They also are polygynous during the founding stage, does that mean I can put my four queens together in one setup and let the workers duke out which queen they want to keep? (and more important would this actually be beneficial or cause more harm than good)
If this turns out true does that mean I have an exploding Solenopsis colony at my hand or do they not multiply with the same ridiculous rate of other Solenopsis (like RIFA and RTFA)?
They also are polygynous during the founding stage, does that mean I can put my four queens together in one setup and let the workers duke out which queen they want to keep? (and more important would this actually be beneficial or cause more harm than good)
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Re: Early October southern Germany catches
Except that Solenopsis fugax cannot be 1cm in length.
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Re: Early October southern Germany catches
If you let the workers decide which queen they want, it could cause unwanted injury in the surviving queen, possibly leading to death. Some of the workers could also die in the proccess
There are more ants on the planet than humans.
I'm wondering what the dominant species really is...
My ant queens still founding a colony:
Brachymyrmex sp.(1)
pogonomyrmex rugosus? (1)
My ant colonies:
Solenopsis Xyloni (1)
I'm wondering what the dominant species really is...
My ant queens still founding a colony:
Brachymyrmex sp.(1)
pogonomyrmex rugosus? (1)
My ant colonies:
Solenopsis Xyloni (1)
Re: Early October southern Germany catches
Since they're more likely to be Tetramorium anyway I'll keep them separate. I guess we'll only truly know what they are when the workers arrive which may take a few months (one of them has already gone into hibernation, the others should most likely follow soon).
Question is if some of the queens are still active in like a week or two should I feed them a bit (tiny drop of honey) or better not disturb them?
Question is if some of the queens are still active in like a week or two should I feed them a bit (tiny drop of honey) or better not disturb them?
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Re: Early October southern Germany catches
Just remeasured them (wasn't easy, 3 have gone into hibernation thus are unavailable for measurement and the 4th was walking around all the time), the one that's still active is 0.6-0.8mm long making Solenopsis fugax possible. Two people from a UK ant forum also went for Solenopsis (one even with a "definitely").
I guess in either case (Solenopsis or Tetramorium) the Tetramorium hybrid nest and a rather scarce desert-like outworld with a bit of sand for nest optimization would be the way to go (as it is intended for very small ants)?
If they turn out to be Solenopsis I think I have to seal the entire setup with silicon as they're super tiny (1-1.5, majors up to 3mm)? I've also read Solenopsis fugax grows super fast and can have massive colonies (multiple 100.000 workers with multiple queens) but then they're tiny - how fast can I expect them to grow out of a hybrid nest if they develop well?
I guess in either case (Solenopsis or Tetramorium) the Tetramorium hybrid nest and a rather scarce desert-like outworld with a bit of sand for nest optimization would be the way to go (as it is intended for very small ants)?
If they turn out to be Solenopsis I think I have to seal the entire setup with silicon as they're super tiny (1-1.5, majors up to 3mm)? I've also read Solenopsis fugax grows super fast and can have massive colonies (multiple 100.000 workers with multiple queens) but then they're tiny - how fast can I expect them to grow out of a hybrid nest if they develop well?
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Re: Early October southern Germany catches
They live in Germany, so the Tetramorium they have isn't the sp. W that you're used to.idahoantgirl wrote:ummmm. no. not at all. no way. I don't know what it is, but it's 100 percent not tetramorium. the gaster is too large and the head and thorax too small to be tetramorium.Serafine wrote:Thank you a lot! That's actually what I hoped for
Keeper of:
Tetramorium sp. E
Camponotus pennsylvanicus
Selling through GAN project:
Nylanderia flavipes (x 3)
Tapinoma sessile
Brachymyrmex depilis
Aphaenogaster sp.
Sold through GAN:
Camponotus nearcticus
Tetramorium sp. E
Tetramorium sp. E
Camponotus pennsylvanicus
Selling through GAN project:
Nylanderia flavipes (x 3)
Tapinoma sessile
Brachymyrmex depilis
Aphaenogaster sp.
Sold through GAN:
Camponotus nearcticus
Tetramorium sp. E
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Re: Early October southern Germany catches
well, because of their EXTREME similarities scientists have not been able to tell if they are the same species or different. that's how close they are. When you look up pictures they look exactly the same as tetramorium species e.MCWren wrote:They live in Germany, so the Tetramorium they have isn't the sp. W that you're used to.idahoantgirl wrote:ummmm. no. not at all. no way. I don't know what it is, but it's 100 percent not tetramorium. the gaster is too large and the head and thorax too small to be tetramorium.Serafine wrote:Thank you a lot! That's actually what I hoped for
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Go to the ant, you sluggard;
consider its ways and be wise!
It has no commander,
no overseer or ruler,
yet it stores its provisions in summer
and gathers its food at harvest.
Go to the ant, you sluggard;
consider its ways and be wise!
It has no commander,
no overseer or ruler,
yet it stores its provisions in summer
and gathers its food at harvest.
Re: Early October southern Germany catches
Actually there's seven species of Tetramorium in Europe (generally called the Tetramorium caespitum-impurum complex) but most of them can only be distinguished via male genital extensions or DNA analysis, so nothing a normal antkeeper can do...
But I also have the feeling that they look a lot more like Solenopsis fugax than like Tetramorium sp.
Something I'm a bit concerned now is whether the bottom mesh of the Tetramorium hybrid nest is actually small enough to keep the S. fugax nanatics contained, cause I've recently seen them outside and they are ULTRA tiny (less than a millimeter).
But I also have the feeling that they look a lot more like Solenopsis fugax than like Tetramorium sp.
Something I'm a bit concerned now is whether the bottom mesh of the Tetramorium hybrid nest is actually small enough to keep the S. fugax nanatics contained, cause I've recently seen them outside and they are ULTRA tiny (less than a millimeter).
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