Species ID skills
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Species ID skills
How can you properly ID a exact species in a very diverse genus like Camponotus if the internet doesn't even list all of them?
Keeping:
• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1
• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1
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Re: Species ID skills
Look on sites like ant web. Sometimes they are listed, but usually antwiki has them in keys. What genus did you have in mind?JaydenScheepers wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:28 pmHow can you properly ID a exact species in a very diverse genus like Camponotus if the internet doesn't even list all of them?
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Re: Species ID skills
Camponotus, but I'll have to do a re-identification on my Odontomachus queen.SolenopsisKeeper wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:51 pmLook on sites like ant web. Sometimes they are listed, but usually antwiki has them in keys. What genus did you have in mind?JaydenScheepers wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:28 pmHow can you properly ID a exact species in a very diverse genus like Camponotus if the internet doesn't even list all of them?
Keeping:
• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1
• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1
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Re: Species ID skills
Most Odontomachus have slight differences, so many species will be listed as sub speciesJaydenScheepers wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:10 amCamponotus, but I'll have to do a re-identification on my Odontomachus queen.SolenopsisKeeper wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:51 pmLook on sites like ant web. Sometimes they are listed, but usually antwiki has them in keys. What genus did you have in mind?JaydenScheepers wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:28 pmHow can you properly ID a exact species in a very diverse genus like Camponotus if the internet doesn't even list all of them?
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Re: Species ID skills
Sounds difficult to ID her thenSolenopsisKeeper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:43 pmMost Odontomachus have slight differences, so many species will be listed as sub speciesJaydenScheepers wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:10 amCamponotus, but I'll have to do a re-identification on my Odontomachus queen.SolenopsisKeeper wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:51 pm
Look on sites like ant web. Sometimes they are listed, but usually antwiki has them in keys. What genus did you have in mind?
Keeping:
• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1
• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1
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Re: Species ID skills
I ID’ed my ants on males they produced on accident. Once you see two species males, you can instantly tell the two queens species apart. You just start to recognize features that may slightly vary, but it gives you a pretty accurate estimate of what species you have.JaydenScheepers wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:19 pmSounds difficult to ID her thenSolenopsisKeeper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:43 pmMost Odontomachus have slight differences, so many species will be listed as sub speciesJaydenScheepers wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:10 am
Camponotus, but I'll have to do a re-identification on my Odontomachus queen.
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Re: Species ID skills
Alright thanks, I also found what I believe to be a semi-caulostrial queen, not sure of the species or genus. Maybe Polyrhachis, because she has to spines, but I'm not sure of there are any species of Polyrhachis which are semi-caulostrial. I'll request an ID as soon as I get her into a test-tube.SolenopsisKeeper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:55 pmI ID’ed my ants on males they produced on accident. Once you see two species males, you can instantly tell the two queens species apart. You just start to recognize features that may slightly vary, but it gives you a pretty accurate estimate of what species you have.JaydenScheepers wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:19 pmSounds difficult to ID her thenSolenopsisKeeper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:43 pm
Most Odontomachus have slight differences, so many species will be listed as sub species
Keeping:
• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1
• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1
Re: Species ID skills
I'm pretty sure all Polyrhachis are semi-claustral.JaydenScheepers wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:18 amAlright thanks, I also found what I believe to be a semi-caulostrial queen, not sure of the species or genus. Maybe Polyrhachis, because she has to spines, but I'm not sure of there are any species of Polyrhachis which are semi-caulostrial. I'll request an ID as soon as I get her into a test-tube.SolenopsisKeeper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:55 pmI ID’ed my ants on males they produced on accident. Once you see two species males, you can instantly tell the two queens species apart. You just start to recognize features that may slightly vary, but it gives you a pretty accurate estimate of what species you have.
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Re: Species ID skills
They looked to me like fully claustral, from what I've seen in real life and on the internet is that semi-caulostrial queens usually look almost just like the workers except for a few differences, like them being slightly larger, a slightly bigger gaster and thorax for their size and wing scars. And what I have noticed for fully claustral queens is that pretty much all of them dwarf their workers, had a noticably bigger gaster and thorax for their size, with wing scars, and some may even look completely different to their workers.SYUTEO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:32 amI'm pretty sure all Polyrhachis are semi-claustral.JaydenScheepers wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:18 amAlright thanks, I also found what I believe to be a semi-caulostrial queen, not sure of the species or genus. Maybe Polyrhachis, because she has to spines, but I'm not sure of there are any species of Polyrhachis which are semi-caulostrial. I'll request an ID as soon as I get her into a test-tube.SolenopsisKeeper wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:55 pm
I ID’ed my ants on males they produced on accident. Once you see two species males, you can instantly tell the two queens species apart. You just start to recognize features that may slightly vary, but it gives you a pretty accurate estimate of what species you have.
Keeping:
• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1
• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1
Re: Species ID skills
It's true, but Polyrhachis queens are almost the same size as their workers. Almost every time I see Polyrhachis I will check if it's a queen because in some species you need to get up close in order to tell.JaydenScheepers wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:49 pmThey looked to me like fully claustral, from what I've seen in real life and on the internet is that semi-caulostrial queens usually look almost just like the workers except for a few differences, like them being slightly larger, a slightly bigger gaster and thorax for their size and wing scars. And what I have noticed for fully claustral queens is that pretty much all of them dwarf their workers, had a noticably bigger gaster and thorax for their size, with wing scars, and some may even look completely different to their workers.SYUTEO wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:32 amI'm pretty sure all Polyrhachis are semi-claustral.JaydenScheepers wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:18 am
Alright thanks, I also found what I believe to be a semi-caulostrial queen, not sure of the species or genus. Maybe Polyrhachis, because she has to spines, but I'm not sure of there are any species of Polyrhachis which are semi-caulostrial. I'll request an ID as soon as I get her into a test-tube.
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