Species ID skills

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JaydenScheepers
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Species ID skills

Post: # 94413Post JaydenScheepers
Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:28 pm

How can you properly ID a exact species in a very diverse genus like Camponotus if the internet doesn't even list all of them?
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

SolenopsisKeeper
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Re: Species ID skills

Post: # 94414Post SolenopsisKeeper
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:51 pm

JaydenScheepers wrote:
Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:28 pm
How can you properly ID a exact species in a very diverse genus like Camponotus if the internet doesn't even list all of them?
Look on sites like ant web. Sometimes they are listed, but usually antwiki has them in keys. What genus did you have in mind?
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JaydenScheepers
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Re: Species ID skills

Post: # 94417Post JaydenScheepers
Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:10 am

SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:51 pm
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:28 pm
How can you properly ID a exact species in a very diverse genus like Camponotus if the internet doesn't even list all of them?
Look on sites like ant web. Sometimes they are listed, but usually antwiki has them in keys. What genus did you have in mind?
Camponotus, but I'll have to do a re-identification on my Odontomachus queen.
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

SolenopsisKeeper
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Re: Species ID skills

Post: # 94426Post SolenopsisKeeper
Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:43 pm

JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:10 am
SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:51 pm
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:28 pm
How can you properly ID a exact species in a very diverse genus like Camponotus if the internet doesn't even list all of them?
Look on sites like ant web. Sometimes they are listed, but usually antwiki has them in keys. What genus did you have in mind?
Camponotus, but I'll have to do a re-identification on my Odontomachus queen.
Most Odontomachus have slight differences, so many species will be listed as sub species
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JaydenScheepers
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Re: Species ID skills

Post: # 94433Post JaydenScheepers
Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:19 pm

SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:43 pm
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:10 am
SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:51 pm


Look on sites like ant web. Sometimes they are listed, but usually antwiki has them in keys. What genus did you have in mind?
Camponotus, but I'll have to do a re-identification on my Odontomachus queen.
Most Odontomachus have slight differences, so many species will be listed as sub species
Sounds difficult to ID her then
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

SolenopsisKeeper
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Re: Species ID skills

Post: # 94438Post SolenopsisKeeper
Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:55 pm

JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:19 pm
SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:43 pm
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:10 am


Camponotus, but I'll have to do a re-identification on my Odontomachus queen.
Most Odontomachus have slight differences, so many species will be listed as sub species
Sounds difficult to ID her then
I ID’ed my ants on males they produced on accident. Once you see two species males, you can instantly tell the two queens species apart. You just start to recognize features that may slightly vary, but it gives you a pretty accurate estimate of what species you have.
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JaydenScheepers
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Re: Species ID skills

Post: # 94446Post JaydenScheepers
Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:18 am

SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:55 pm
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:19 pm
SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:43 pm


Most Odontomachus have slight differences, so many species will be listed as sub species
Sounds difficult to ID her then
I ID’ed my ants on males they produced on accident. Once you see two species males, you can instantly tell the two queens species apart. You just start to recognize features that may slightly vary, but it gives you a pretty accurate estimate of what species you have.
Alright thanks, I also found what I believe to be a semi-caulostrial queen, not sure of the species or genus. Maybe Polyrhachis, because she has to spines, but I'm not sure of there are any species of Polyrhachis which are semi-caulostrial. I'll request an ID as soon as I get her into a test-tube.
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

SYUTEO
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Re: Species ID skills

Post: # 94457Post SYUTEO
Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:32 am

JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:18 am
SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:55 pm
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:19 pm


Sounds difficult to ID her then
I ID’ed my ants on males they produced on accident. Once you see two species males, you can instantly tell the two queens species apart. You just start to recognize features that may slightly vary, but it gives you a pretty accurate estimate of what species you have.
Alright thanks, I also found what I believe to be a semi-caulostrial queen, not sure of the species or genus. Maybe Polyrhachis, because she has to spines, but I'm not sure of there are any species of Polyrhachis which are semi-caulostrial. I'll request an ID as soon as I get her into a test-tube.
I'm pretty sure all Polyrhachis are semi-claustral.

JaydenScheepers
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Re: Species ID skills

Post: # 94475Post JaydenScheepers
Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:49 pm

SYUTEO wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:32 am
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:18 am
SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:55 pm


I ID’ed my ants on males they produced on accident. Once you see two species males, you can instantly tell the two queens species apart. You just start to recognize features that may slightly vary, but it gives you a pretty accurate estimate of what species you have.
Alright thanks, I also found what I believe to be a semi-caulostrial queen, not sure of the species or genus. Maybe Polyrhachis, because she has to spines, but I'm not sure of there are any species of Polyrhachis which are semi-caulostrial. I'll request an ID as soon as I get her into a test-tube.
I'm pretty sure all Polyrhachis are semi-claustral.
They looked to me like fully claustral, from what I've seen in real life and on the internet is that semi-caulostrial queens usually look almost just like the workers except for a few differences, like them being slightly larger, a slightly bigger gaster and thorax for their size and wing scars. And what I have noticed for fully claustral queens is that pretty much all of them dwarf their workers, had a noticably bigger gaster and thorax for their size, with wing scars, and some may even look completely different to their workers.
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

SYUTEO
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Re: Species ID skills

Post: # 94479Post SYUTEO
Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:34 pm

JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:49 pm
SYUTEO wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:32 am
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:18 am


Alright thanks, I also found what I believe to be a semi-caulostrial queen, not sure of the species or genus. Maybe Polyrhachis, because she has to spines, but I'm not sure of there are any species of Polyrhachis which are semi-caulostrial. I'll request an ID as soon as I get her into a test-tube.
I'm pretty sure all Polyrhachis are semi-claustral.
They looked to me like fully claustral, from what I've seen in real life and on the internet is that semi-caulostrial queens usually look almost just like the workers except for a few differences, like them being slightly larger, a slightly bigger gaster and thorax for their size and wing scars. And what I have noticed for fully claustral queens is that pretty much all of them dwarf their workers, had a noticably bigger gaster and thorax for their size, with wing scars, and some may even look completely different to their workers.
It's true, but Polyrhachis queens are almost the same size as their workers. Almost every time I see Polyrhachis I will check if it's a queen because in some species you need to get up close in order to tell.

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