I'm trying to ID my trap-jaw queen. Thailand

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JaydenScheepers
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Re: I'm trying to ID my trap-jaw queen. Thailand

Post: # 95002Post JaydenScheepers
Sun Jul 24, 2022 8:10 pm

Guys! Today is truly an exiting day. 2 days ago I saw the first larvae, (the queen separated the larvae and the batch of eggs) and today I saw what I believe is two more larvae. Soon I will have a Odontomachus colony, I will monitor them very closely.( Sorry I don't have pictures, the test-tube is too foggy to get a meaningful photo out of.
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

SolenopsisKeeper
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Re: I'm trying to ID my trap-jaw queen. Thailand

Post: # 95003Post SolenopsisKeeper
Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:17 pm

JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sun Jul 24, 2022 8:10 pm
Guys! Today is truly an exiting day. 2 days ago I saw the first larvae, (the queen separated the larvae and the batch of eggs) and today I saw what I believe is two more larvae. Soon I will have a Odontomachus colony, I will monitor them very closely.( Sorry I don't have pictures, the test-tube is too foggy to get a meaningful photo out of.
Don’t count pupae before they hatch with Odontomachus. Some Odontomachus queens will kill their pupae for no reason, eat brood for no reason, and even die randomly.
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Re: I'm trying to ID my trap-jaw queen. Thailand

Post: # 95004Post JaydenScheepers
Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:11 am

SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:17 pm
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sun Jul 24, 2022 8:10 pm
Guys! Today is truly an exiting day. 2 days ago I saw the first larvae, (the queen separated the larvae and the batch of eggs) and today I saw what I believe is two more larvae. Soon I will have a Odontomachus colony, I will monitor them very closely.( Sorry I don't have pictures, the test-tube is too foggy to get a meaningful photo out of.
Don’t count pupae before they hatch with Odontomachus. Some Odontomachus queens will kill their pupae for no reason, eat brood for no reason, and even die randomly.
Where is the survival benefit in that?
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

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Re: I'm trying to ID my trap-jaw queen. Thailand

Post: # 95007Post SYUTEO
Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:22 am

JaydenScheepers wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:11 am
SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:17 pm
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sun Jul 24, 2022 8:10 pm
Guys! Today is truly an exiting day. 2 days ago I saw the first larvae, (the queen separated the larvae and the batch of eggs) and today I saw what I believe is two more larvae. Soon I will have a Odontomachus colony, I will monitor them very closely.( Sorry I don't have pictures, the test-tube is too foggy to get a meaningful photo out of.
Don’t count pupae before they hatch with Odontomachus. Some Odontomachus queens will kill their pupae for no reason, eat brood for no reason, and even die randomly.
Where is the survival benefit in that?
Sometimes queens are just stubborn. Some Odontomachus queens even raise males even if they are mated.

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Re: I'm trying to ID my trap-jaw queen. Thailand

Post: # 95008Post JaydenScheepers
Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:40 am

SYUTEO wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:22 am
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:11 am
SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:17 pm


Don’t count pupae before they hatch with Odontomachus. Some Odontomachus queens will kill their pupae for no reason, eat brood for no reason, and even die randomly.
Where is the survival benefit in that?
Sometimes queens are just stubborn. Some Odontomachus queens even raise males even if they are mated.
Still, it makes no sense as to why their behavior would be like that. It is basically self sabotaging, there has to be an explanation. I'll try to get a bigger sample size and monitor them closely
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

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Re: I'm trying to ID my trap-jaw queen. Thailand

Post: # 95012Post SolenopsisKeeper
Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:33 am

JaydenScheepers wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:40 am
SYUTEO wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:22 am
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:11 am


Where is the survival benefit in that?
Sometimes queens are just stubborn. Some Odontomachus queens even raise males even if they are mated.
Still, it makes no sense as to why their behavior would be like that. It is basically self sabotaging, there has to be an explanation. I'll try to get a bigger sample size and monitor them closely
When I first raised my Odontomachus, I raised two queen. One queen, whom I checked on every two weeks and put food in an outworld every day,(and nectar) decided to always eat her mature larvae. She died after keeping her for 6 months.


Self-sabatoage? I think not, as she can reabsorb that protein for a future batch of eggs, and they may do it based on what food they find? Not sure, but next march I am going to raise 50 local Odontomachus queens of two species.
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Re: I'm trying to ID my trap-jaw queen. Thailand

Post: # 95014Post JaydenScheepers
Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:37 am

SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:33 am
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:40 am
SYUTEO wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:22 am

Sometimes queens are just stubborn. Some Odontomachus queens even raise males even if they are mated.
Still, it makes no sense as to why their behavior would be like that. It is basically self sabotaging, there has to be an explanation. I'll try to get a bigger sample size and monitor them closely
When I first raised my Odontomachus, I raised two queen. One queen, whom I checked on every two weeks and put food in an outworld every day,(and nectar) decided to always eat her mature larvae. She died after keeping her for 6 months.


Self-sabatoage? I think not, as she can reabsorb that protein for a future batch of eggs, and they may do it based on what food they find? Not sure, but next march I am going to raise 50 local Odontomachus queens of two species.
I call it self "sabotaging", because the whole gimmick of queen ants is to start an army to look after her later on in her life. If she eats her army before they can become soldiers, it's basically self sabotaging.
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

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Re: I'm trying to ID my trap-jaw queen. Thailand

Post: # 95030Post JaydenScheepers
Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:44 pm

Her out world had a mealworm surviving in her out world that I had put in a while ago. Today when I checked upon her and her brood I saw a very dead mealworm in her test tube, probably to feed all her hungry larvae.

Also should I watch closely for mold?
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

SolenopsisKeeper
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Re: I'm trying to ID my trap-jaw queen. Thailand

Post: # 95035Post SolenopsisKeeper
Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:58 pm

JaydenScheepers wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:44 pm
Her out world had a mealworm surviving in her out world that I had put in a while ago. Today when I checked upon her and her brood I saw a very dead mealworm in her test tube, probably to feed all her hungry larvae.

Also should I watch closely for mold?
If you feed her fruit flies. That was my mistake, as they mold VERY quickly
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Re: I'm trying to ID my trap-jaw queen. Thailand

Post: # 95037Post JaydenScheepers
Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:10 pm

SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:58 pm
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:44 pm
Her out world had a mealworm surviving in her out world that I had put in a while ago. Today when I checked upon her and her brood I saw a very dead mealworm in her test tube, probably to feed all her hungry larvae.

Also should I watch closely for mold?
If you feed her fruit flies. That was my mistake, as they mold VERY quickly
So don't feed her fruit flies? Got it.
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

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