Crematogaster species ID! Jasper indiana

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Crematogaster species ID! Jasper indiana

Post: # 47054Post CatsnAnts
Thu Aug 09, 2018 6:31 pm

Here’s the first one, she’s about 10 mm
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Here’s the second queen, she is about 8 mm
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Any and all help will be appreciated on identifying these queens!
Camponotus subbarbatus x3
Temnothorax curvispinosus x1 :shock: :D
Aphenogaster fulva x1
Camponotus sp.
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Re: Crematogaster species ID! Jasper indiana

Post: # 47101Post AntsDakota
Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:01 pm

Queen 1 is either C. lineolata or C. cerasi. Not sure on the second queen, though.
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Re: Crematogaster species ID! Jasper indiana

Post: # 47109Post ClarkMonygomery
Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:14 pm

Congratulations!!! When and where did you find yhrm? New to ant enthusiasm and I've been looking the past few days but the only queen I saw slipped away :"(

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Re: Crematogaster species ID! Jasper indiana

Post: # 47116Post JustCliff
Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:10 pm

ClarkMonygomery wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:14 pm
Congratulations!!! When and where did you find yhrm? New to ant enthusiasm and I've been looking the past few days but the only queen I saw slipped away :"(
It's all about timing and location. You could look up ant species that live in your area or perhaps someone made a chart for their nuptial flights. For example, someone made one for Ohio (https://mikemcbrien.com/ohio-nuptial-flight-period/)

I'd say first learn what ants are in your area and when they have their nuptial flights. Then read up on those ants and learn what kind of environment they live in. If you wanted Camponotus, you wouldn't go to a large grassy field but to the woods. Queens can be hard to find, the best you can do is gain knowledge to increase the likelihood of being in the right place at the right time. Even the time of day can play a role. Some species are best to look for in the morning and others in the afternoon.

If all else fails, you can check the GAN farmer section of the forum, you might have someone in your state/area that has more queen than they need.

Best of luck! :D
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Re: Crematogaster species ID! Jasper indiana

Post: # 47123Post Batspiderfish
Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:45 pm

Northeastern Crematogaster require a view of the mesosoma (thorax) from the side, displaying the length and number of hairs.
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Re: Crematogaster species ID! Jasper indiana

Post: # 47126Post ClarkMonygomery
Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:13 pm

Thanks for the input! I've been hoping and looking for a Formica indianensis (spelling may be horribly off) because they are native only to Indiana and some parts of Ohio. I'm actually in jasper county where the specimen that antwiki displays, but I'm sure I missed their nuptial flights. There only seems to be pretty limited literature on this species, but they have their flights around the time other Formica ants do as well? I'm a bit bad with research X.X And as much as I'd love to start providing for a new colony, I can't justify trying to open up possibly nesting sites.

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Re: Crematogaster species ID! Jasper indiana

Post: # 47129Post JustCliff
Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:36 pm

I also am not in favor of disturbing an established nest, the only way I'd consider it is when it's a very small colony. A few workers and brood only.

If you don't already, check under lots of rocks. You'll probably most often find some wood louse, centipedes, millipedes and worms but sometimes there can be queens.
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Temnothorax curvispinosus x2
Camponotus nearcticus
Brachymyrmex depilis
Pogonomyrmex occidentalis

Founding:
Camponotus pennsylvanicus
Camponotus herculeanus

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Re: Crematogaster species ID! Jasper indiana

Post: # 47132Post CatsnAnts
Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:26 pm

OK, this is pictures of the second queen ant ONLY, I’ll get pictures of the first later, can you see the thorax well enough?
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!THIS LAST IMAGE IS OF THE GASTER!
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Camponotus subbarbatus x3
Temnothorax curvispinosus x1 :shock: :D
Aphenogaster fulva x1
Camponotus sp.
Termite pair

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Re: Crematogaster species ID! Jasper indiana

Post: # 47223Post CatsnAnts
Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:08 pm

Sorry, but gotta bump this topic to the top since it’s so far down the list!
Camponotus subbarbatus x3
Temnothorax curvispinosus x1 :shock: :D
Aphenogaster fulva x1
Camponotus sp.
Termite pair

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Re: Crematogaster species ID! Jasper indiana

Post: # 47227Post Batspiderfish
Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:31 pm

Most likely C. lineolata.
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