ID 2 queens - 9/8/2018 Netherlands

[Thorond0r]

Hey guys!
So the weather finally decided to help out and i was able to catch two new queens today

Both were caught at a sandy open spot in the forest on a hill late in the morning.

The first queen is a good 10-11mm long, and quite agile. Personally i think it's Formica fusca but any confirmation (or not) would be nice

The second queen is about 5-6mm and was pretty agressive when i tried catching her! As far as i'm able to tell she is probably Myrmica ruginodis or M. rubra but i'm a lot less certain about this one so again... any help is welcome.

Here is a link to the pictures:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/aog5zsp8i90ccfg/AABpc4eU0MegPxrhvpi9jsa0a?dl=0

Thank you!

[Thorond0r]

Can i assume from the overwhelming lack of replies that i was right in my ID's?

[ClashOwenBash]

Can i assume from the overwhelming lack of replies that i was right in my ID's?

I would say so. The second is identical to the two Myrmica Rubra queens I have. (Remember that Myrmica Rubra is semi-claustral.)

[Thorond0r]

Can i assume from the overwhelming lack of replies that i was right in my ID's?

I would say so. The second is identical to the two Myrmica Rubra queens I have. (Remember that Myrmica Rubra is semi-claustral.)

Thanks! Yes i have her test tube in a container that functions as an outworld so she can forage outside (which she is quite actively doing as well) Thanks for the reminder

[Batspiderfish]

Formica requires photographs of the gaster showing off hair coverage of each tergite.

Myrmica generally requires microscopic examination, so you will almost never get an ID through photographs over the internet.

[Thorond0r]

Formica requires photographs of the gaster showing off hair coverage of each tergite.

Myrmica generally requires microscopic examination, so you will almost never get an ID through photographs over the internet.

That's alright, i'm already happy i got the genera right
I might attempt another picture of the Formica further on down the line but for now i'm leaving her be... I found her in an area filled with F. fusca nests so for now i'm just assuming she is as well