I need help identifying this queen.

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Ikeepantsnoway
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I need help identifying this queen.

Post: # 92594Post Ikeepantsnoway
Sun May 22, 2022 3:59 pm

Hi, I was at a park at 2:00 pm today, when I found this beautiful ant. It was 80F. The queen is around 1 cm long. Can you identify her and tell me if she is semi-claustral, fully-claustral, or parasitic? I suspect she is semi-claustral.
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Re: I need help identifying this queen.

Post: # 92595Post Ikeepantsnoway
Sun May 22, 2022 4:11 pm

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1se1Rkw6Jg3Qg8zyS3aGii0WZBTdwpWB5/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nchmjLfqiBvgQesIBBs4-ETzcHGNcAkh/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vKrjyYuAutz1sONX0dUDuZoQ4WfuuBg9/view
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Re: I need help identifying this queen.

Post: # 92600Post SYUTEO
Sun May 22, 2022 7:07 pm

I don't have access to the links

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Re: I need help identifying this queen.

Post: # 92609Post SolenopsisKeeper
Sun May 22, 2022 9:36 pm

Ikeepantsnoway wrote:
Sun May 22, 2022 3:59 pm
Hi, I was at a park at 2:00 pm today, when I found this beautiful ant. It was 80F. The queen is around 1 cm long. Can you identify her and tell me if she is semi-claustral, fully-claustral, or parasitic? I suspect she is semi-claustral.
I don’t have access either.
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Ikeepantsnoway
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Re: I need help identifying this queen.

Post: # 92615Post Ikeepantsnoway
Mon May 23, 2022 5:54 am

Oh sorry, I fixed it now.
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Re: I need help identifying this queen.

Post: # 92617Post SYUTEO
Mon May 23, 2022 7:18 am

She looks like Formica sanguinea which is parasitic but not entirely sure if it is.

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Re: I need help identifying this queen.

Post: # 92619Post SolenopsisKeeper
Mon May 23, 2022 7:35 am

SYUTEO wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 7:18 am
She looks like Formica sanguinea which is parasitic but not entirely sure if it is.
Isn’t that a species of “slave-making” ant? I thought it was, and had Formica Fusca as one of its hosts.
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Re: I need help identifying this queen.

Post: # 92622Post Ikeepantsnoway
Mon May 23, 2022 12:10 pm

You can't really see it in the photo but on the back of her mesosoma there is a black spot.
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Re: I need help identifying this queen.

Post: # 92633Post SYUTEO
Mon May 23, 2022 8:37 pm

SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 7:35 am
SYUTEO wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 7:18 am
She looks like Formica sanguinea which is parasitic but not entirely sure if it is.
Isn’t that a species of “slave-making” ant? I thought it was, and had Formica Fusca as one of its hosts.
Oh wait, they are slave making ants. But if I recall correctly, founding a queen is similar to parasitic species but you must countinuously give them new hosts since they can't feed themselves (however I did read somewhere that F. sanguinea don't neccesserily need slaves).

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Re: I need help identifying this queen.

Post: # 92636Post SolenopsisKeeper
Mon May 23, 2022 10:25 pm

SYUTEO wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 8:37 pm
SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 7:35 am
SYUTEO wrote:
Mon May 23, 2022 7:18 am
She looks like Formica sanguinea which is parasitic but not entirely sure if it is.
Isn’t that a species of “slave-making” ant? I thought it was, and had Formica Fusca as one of its hosts.
Oh wait, they are slave making ants. But if I recall correctly, founding a queen is similar to parasitic species but you must countinuously give them new hosts since they can't feed themselves (however I did read somewhere that F. sanguinea don't neccesserily need slaves).
I would not know. Where I live, we barely have any Formica :lol:. Formica subsericea hasn’t been spotted(Recorded) for decades(As of 1998 not sure if Mark Deyrup ever made updated list).

Some basic antwiki reading

“ Since F. sanguinea is a facultative social parasite, the workers are capable of nursing broods also independently and slaves are not found in all colonies. ”

If slaves are not found in all colonies, that should technically mean after a certain point, they could outgrow their hosts.
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