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AntsDakota
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Lasius queens never wait

Post: # 52807Post AntsDakota
Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:39 pm

I have kept many Lasius queens and none of them seem to wait until hibernation to lay eggs. One colony even had 30 workers before hibernation.
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Re: Lasius queens never wait

Post: # 52811Post idahoantgirl
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:11 pm

It's only certain species such as lasius nenoniger (which fly in september) that wait until after hibernation to lay.
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Go to the ant, you sluggard;
consider its ways and be wise!
It has no commander,
no overseer or ruler,
yet it stores its provisions in summer
and gathers its food at harvest.

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Re: Lasius queens never wait

Post: # 52812Post TheRealAntMan
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:52 pm

idahoantgirl wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:11 pm
It's only certain species such as lasius nenoniger (which fly in september) that wait until after hibernation to lay.
Agreed. Late-flying Lasius wait for the spring before laying their eggs.
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Re: Lasius queens never wait

Post: # 52843Post AntsDakota
Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:05 pm

Lasius alienus and pallitarsis will found colonies before hibernation.
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Re: Lasius queens never wait

Post: # 52846Post LearningAntz
Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:11 pm

idahoantgirl wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:11 pm
It's only certain species such as lasius nenoniger (which fly in september) that wait until after hibernation to lay.
Lasius neoniger actually can lay eggs prior to hibernation if they fly earlier. Their flights aren’t specific to September only.

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Re: Lasius queens never wait

Post: # 52851Post TheRealAntMan
Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:51 pm

AntsDakota wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:05 pm
Lasius alienus and pallitarsis will found colonies before hibernation.
The bulk of Lasius Americanus fly in the summer so of course, they lay eggs well before hibernation. As previously stated it's only the late flying Lasius that doesn't lay eggs before hibernation. Of course, if you have records with pictures that say otherwise please share them with us.
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Re: Lasius queens never wait

Post: # 52871Post AntsDakota
Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:42 pm

Well, I haven't ever kept Lasius neoniger before. I've only kept Lasius americanus and pallitarsis, which start well before winter.
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Re: Lasius queens never wait

Post: # 52872Post AntsDakota
Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:43 pm

AntsDakota wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:05 pm
Lasius alienus and pallitarsis will found colonies before hibernation.
I meant americanus, sorry. :oops:
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Re: Lasius queens never wait

Post: # 54697Post Hunter36o
Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:25 am

From my own experience (in Ireland) it really depends on a mixture of flight times, species and keeper.

Times are obvious.
Species take the cake here mostly as some are known to wait a some even forge for them selves and then wait until after winter when there is less risk to loose a lot of brood. Know your species and their habits.
Keepers!: We can also have a big factor on how long/ soon it will take a queen to lay eggs. If left under normal temperatures and left in the dark. The queen will lay eggs at the same.rate as in the wild.
I queen in a slightly colder area will lay eggs showly or not at all.
Now with controlled heat added to the equation a queen will lay eggs are a higher rate and brood will also develop faster as long as your careful with temperature regulation.
My Rubra is an example of this. I've read from a lot of people that their Rubra queen's waited until after winter to lay eggs because the flew in September as did mine. However with a lot of attention (not disruption as that is stress) and consistent temperature monitoring my queen had a healthy worker help her prepare for hybernation. Also hybernation times are not 100% accurate and thanks to this fact you can delay it by a week to give pupae a change to eclose. Just give them an extra few days hibernation to make up for this week or two.

But yeah even my latest Lasius flyer still had 2 workers before hibernation time came in. They grow like wild fire.

I am looking at my answer thinking "god, bet no one missed my replies on this forum xD"
Officially caring for 5 Lasius colonies :D :D :D

Founding stage:
1x Myrmica Rubra with one worker

3 Lasius Niger colonies will be on sale AFTER hibernation.

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