Pheidole is so hard to keep!

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JaydenScheepers
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Pheidole is so hard to keep!

Post: # 95237Post JaydenScheepers
Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:23 am

I have four Pheidole parva queens together in a test tube stup, and I check up on them the least of my colonies, yet I have a big problem trying to get them to start a colony. They ate their eggs again, and I don't know how long this can continue until they run out of wing muscle. I don't know what to do.
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

SolenopsisKeeper
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Re: Pheidole is so hard to keep!

Post: # 95240Post SolenopsisKeeper
Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:56 am

JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:23 am
I have four Pheidole parva queens together in a test tube stup, and I check up on them the least of my colonies, yet I have a big problem trying to get them to start a colony. They ate their eggs again, and I don't know how long this can continue until they run out of wing muscle. I don't know what to do.
If they eat their eggs yet again, feed them nectar and no checks for 2 weeks. No checks, like at all. No disturbances, no red light checks, etc.
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JaydenScheepers
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Re: Pheidole is so hard to keep!

Post: # 95242Post JaydenScheepers
Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:46 am

SolenopsisKeeper wrote:
Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:56 am
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sat Jul 30, 2022 12:23 am
I have four Pheidole parva queens together in a test tube stup, and I check up on them the least of my colonies, yet I have a big problem trying to get them to start a colony. They ate their eggs again, and I don't know how long this can continue until they run out of wing muscle. I don't know what to do.
If they eat their eggs yet again, feed them nectar and no checks for 2 weeks. No checks, like at all. No disturbances, no red light checks, etc.
Alright
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

SYUTEO
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Re: Pheidole is so hard to keep!

Post: # 95276Post SYUTEO
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:23 am

I read from another antkeeper that P. parva cannot start a colony with more than 2 queens, they are actually pleometrotic. Even if you manage to get them to found, they will slowly kill queens as the colony grows until there is only one queen left.

JaydenScheepers
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Re: Pheidole is so hard to keep!

Post: # 95278Post JaydenScheepers
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:25 am

SYUTEO wrote:
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:23 am
I read from another antkeeper that P. parva cannot start a colony with more than 2 queens, they are actually pleometrotic. Even if you manage to get them to found, they will slowly kill queens as the colony grows until there is only one queen left.
So my best choice is to try and separate them?
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

SYUTEO
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Re: Pheidole is so hard to keep!

Post: # 95279Post SYUTEO
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:26 am

JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:25 am
SYUTEO wrote:
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:23 am
I read from another antkeeper that P. parva cannot start a colony with more than 2 queens, they are actually pleometrotic. Even if you manage to get them to found, they will slowly kill queens as the colony grows until there is only one queen left.
So my best choice is to try and separate them?
You can try

JaydenScheepers
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Re: Pheidole is so hard to keep!

Post: # 95281Post JaydenScheepers
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:55 am

SYUTEO wrote:
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:26 am
JaydenScheepers wrote:
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:25 am
SYUTEO wrote:
Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:23 am
I read from another antkeeper that P. parva cannot start a colony with more than 2 queens, they are actually pleometrotic. Even if you manage to get them to found, they will slowly kill queens as the colony grows until there is only one queen left.
So my best choice is to try and separate them?
You can try
Alright by the sound of it I'll have to separate them, hopefully it doesn't cause them much stress.
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

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Antloverhuman
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Re: Pheidole is so hard to keep!

Post: # 95314Post Antloverhuman
Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:39 am

Mine founded successfully when i had them separated
Ants I have-
camponotus compressus colony- the shadow warriors.
Pls just let me have a tetramorium colony

JaydenScheepers
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Re: Pheidole is so hard to keep!

Post: # 95318Post JaydenScheepers
Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:36 am

Antloverhuman wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:39 am
Mine founded successfully when i had them separated
I separated mine, hopefully it will work. I would love to keep Pheidole, luckily though there is a big colony in my backyard. So if this doesn't work I can wait till next year, and maybe catch another alate. I find the invading Pheidole to be quiet passive. When we had a Solinopsis invasion in a previous home, they were so aggressive, is Pheidole in general passive to humans? I even had workers walk on my wands, Solinopsis would surely have attacked my hand.
Keeping:

• Cataulacus granulatus x2
• Camponotus parius
• Odontomachus sp x4
• Pheidole prava x1
• Pseudoneoponera sp x1

SYUTEO
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Re: Pheidole is so hard to keep!

Post: # 95323Post SYUTEO
Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:11 am

JaydenScheepers wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:36 am
Antloverhuman wrote:
Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:39 am
Mine founded successfully when i had them separated
I separated mine, hopefully it will work. I would love to keep Pheidole, luckily though there is a big colony in my backyard. So if this doesn't work I can wait till next year, and maybe catch another alate. I find the invading Pheidole to be quiet passive. When we had a Solinopsis invasion in a previous home, they were so aggressive, is Pheidole in general passive to humans? I even had workers walk on my wands, Solinopsis would surely have attacked my hand.
Pheidole parva usually isn't very aggressive towards people but they are towards other insects (unless you attack their nest). Pheidole megacephala on the other hand, are like Carebara.

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