I thought i caught 2 ant queens

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I thought i caught 2 ant queens

Post: # 23851Post nickvaes
Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:03 am

Hey guys, So when I was on holiday in germany ( I live in belgium ) i saw these beautyfull red and black ants, and when i saw a queen i decided to catch it, not sure if she would survive i caught another one ( i thought ) because 2 weeks later she hasnt layed eggs. So i starting to think its not a queen at all but im kinda confused.

My second ant is bigger than other ants has a bigger thorax, however she has a smaller abdomen than my queen. So i dont know if it is a queen but cant lay eggs. Or is it jst a huge major? However they are the same size as lasius niger ants and they dont have majors. What do you guys think?


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Re: ID Request

Post: # 23852Post Phoenix
Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:11 am

1st Is DeFinitely A Queen Ant; Where's The Other Image For The 2nd Queen?
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Re: ID Request

Post: # 23854Post nickvaes
Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:16 am

Phoenix wrote:
Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:11 am
1st Is DeFinitely A Queen Ant; Where's The Other Image For The 2nd Queen?
Added them all now.

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Re: I thought i caught 2 ant queens

Post: # 23867Post Jadeninja9
Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:58 am

Well the first one has layed eggs. I don't know the species though. I think the second queen could maybe be a Camponotus queen but I'm not sure.
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Re: I thought i caught 2 ant queens

Post: # 23869Post nickvaes
Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:08 am

Jadeninja9 wrote:
Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:58 am
Well the first one has layed eggs. I don't know the species though. I think the second queen could maybe be a Camponotus queen but I'm not sure.
The second one hasnt layed any eggs and only tried to escape by pulling off small pieces of the cotton, i feel like its not a queen since she hasnt calmed down at all even afther a week in pure darkness.

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Re: I thought i caught 2 ant queens

Post: # 23886Post Serafine
Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:49 pm

She may just be unmated.
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Re: I thought i caught 2 ant queens

Post: # 23893Post nickvaes
Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:11 pm

Thats the same i thought but why did she lost her wings than? Queens lose there wings when they are looking for a nest to lay there eggs right?

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Re: I thought i caught 2 ant queens

Post: # 23904Post Batspiderfish
Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:12 pm

I think they are both Formica (the first queen could possibly be Lasius emarginatus, but it is hard to tell from the one angle). The second one is a Formica social parasite, which probably explains her behavior while alone in the test tube. She will need 6-10 Formica pupae if you want to keep her.

Don't feed your queens in the test tube unless it is on a removable tray, or else you will be inviting potentially harmful mold (thick, semi-dried sugary liquid is also easy to get stuck in).
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Re: I thought i caught 2 ant queens

Post: # 23925Post nickvaes
Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:59 am

Batspiderfish wrote:
Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:12 pm
I think they are both Formica (the first queen could possibly be Lasius emarginatus, but it is hard to tell from the one angle). The second one is a Formica social parasite, which probably explains her behavior while alone in the test tube. She will need 6-10 Formica pupae if you want to keep her.

Don't feed your queens in the test tube unless it is on a removable tray, or else you will be inviting potentially harmful mold (thick, semi-dried sugary liquid is also easy to get stuck in).
How can i give her 6-10 formica pupae? She should lay eggs herself?

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Re: I thought i caught 2 ant queens

Post: # 23926Post Batspiderfish
Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:05 am

Social parsites will not lay eggs until they have host workers. You can offer the pupae in an adjoined test tube, which the queen will horde almost immediately upon discovery.
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