No ants in my area

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ultraex2
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Re: No ants in my area

Post: # 18158Post ultraex2
Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:49 am

Martialis wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:20 am
ultraex2 wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:18 am
Martialis wrote:
Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:53 pm
What I am doing is lumping both state and national parks together. I've also been told I cannot collect from those areas. It is fact that permits can be difficult to acquire.

I know state/national forests and grasslands are able to be collected from. I plan to visit the sole national forest in my state to ant this year. Thank you for this resource.

I really don't think that collection from those parks the best idea, though.
Thank you - that's fine and that's your opinion. But, when you tell someone that they'll go to jail for 20 years and it's highly illegal just because you "don't think it's a good idea" that is not okay and it should be up to them to decide if they want to or not.
No, I was told that. This is what happens if you collect without permits in national parks. 20 years is the maximum sentence.
First, I specifically mentioned state parks, not national which have completely different rules - some don't even require permission/permit in state parks.

Second, who told you 20 years sentence? It sounds like they just made it up with nothing to back the statement up with. From what I've found trying to research the topic in the US, 99.99% of the time it's just a fine and I can't find anything about anyone going to jail, especially for 20 years.

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Re: No ants in my area

Post: # 18161Post Martialis
Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:28 pm

ultraex2 wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:49 am
Martialis wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:20 am
ultraex2 wrote:
Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:18 am


Thank you - that's fine and that's your opinion. But, when you tell someone that they'll go to jail for 20 years and it's highly illegal just because you "don't think it's a good idea" that is not okay and it should be up to them to decide if they want to or not.
No, I was told that. This is what happens if you collect without permits in national parks. 20 years is the maximum sentence.
First, I specifically mentioned state parks, not national which have completely different rules - some don't even require permission/permit in state parks.

Second, who told you 20 years sentence? It sounds like they just made it up with nothing to back the statement up with. From what I've found trying to research the topic in the US, 99.99% of the time it's just a fine and I can't find anything about anyone going to jail, especially for 20 years.
I'm done arguing with you. You seem to he intent on proving me wrong, which you've already done. If you want to debate still, find someone else.
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Cal113
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Re: No ants in my area

Post: # 18570Post Cal113
Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:33 pm

Hey I was wondering is it okay to dig up a ant colony and grab the queen and as many workers as you can? I was wondering more in the moral and immoral perspective.

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Re: No ants in my area

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Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:11 pm

How is this topic not in the Heated & Controversial Ant Debates lol

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Re: No ants in my area

Post: # 18581Post Martialis
Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:57 pm

Cal113 wrote:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:33 pm
Hey I was wondering is it okay to dig up a ant colony and grab the queen and as many workers as you can? I was wondering more in the moral and immoral perspective.
Go ahead with invasive species. Leave mature, native colonies alone.
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Re: No ants in my area

Post: # 18592Post Cal113
Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:52 pm

Martialis wrote:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:57 pm
Cal113 wrote:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:33 pm
Hey I was wondering is it okay to dig up a ant colony and grab the queen and as many workers as you can? I was wondering more in the moral and immoral perspective.
Go ahead with invasive species. Leave mature, native colonies alone.
What about with immature native colonies that are extremely common around that area?

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Re: No ants in my area

Post: # 18593Post Martialis
Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:53 pm

An immature colony would be a queen with nanitic workers.
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Re: No ants in my area

Post: # 18599Post Batspiderfish
Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:48 pm

Cal113 wrote:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:52 pm
Martialis wrote:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:57 pm
Cal113 wrote:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:33 pm
Hey I was wondering is it okay to dig up a ant colony and grab the queen and as many workers as you can? I was wondering more in the moral and immoral perspective.
Go ahead with invasive species. Leave mature, native colonies alone.
What about with immature native colonies that are extremely common around that area?
Digging up colonies is needlessly destructive compared to raising foundress queens. You'll need to learn that patience anyways if you are to take care of your colony properly.
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Re: No ants in my area

Post: # 18612Post xTNxANTMANx
Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:55 am

Agreed. Plus you will basically do more harm than good digging up an established colony.
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Re: No ants in my area

Post: # 18857Post AntViking
Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:13 pm

I'd think it might also depend on location. If there in a inconvenient spot and there future might turn grim. I don't see too much harm in carefully extracting them.

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